flight in the blue

hyenaboy:

fishingboatproceeds:

hyenaboy:

fishingboatproceeds:

“John Green, while death threats to Laci Green are bad, no arguing wtih that, Laci’s done a lot more negative things than casually use the word “tranny”. She has videos up about her islamophobia as well as several that border on fat shaming.”

I have a lot of messages like this.

1. We can’t have constructive conversations about how to talk with each in respectful ways when we threaten people, because then the threatened are forcibly removed from the conversation.

2. I’m not attempting to defend transphobia or fat-shaming or islamophobia or islamophilia or anything else. I’m just saying that we literally cannot have productive conversations when voices are silenced by threats. So you can not say to Laci, “Hey, I don’t think Islam is inherently misogynistic, because of A, B, and C,” because Laci is not here, because she is staying away from the Internet for fear that further participation in it will lead to her murder. That’s not a good way to change the discourse about islamophobia or anything else.

MARGINALIZED PEOPLE ARE ALREADY FORCIBLY REMOVED FROM CONVERSATION BECAUSE ADDRESSING SAID ISSUES IS ALREADY A RISK.

OPPRESSION IS A THREAT.

YOU ARE REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, AND IT IS MAKING ME SAD THAT YOU CAN BE SO SMART BUT SO DAMN IGNORANT.

YOU ARE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. NOW WE ARE YELLING, THOUGH. I’M NOT SURE THIS IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.

You’re right that marginalized people are consistently removed from conversations, but in fact on tumblr and on YouTube there are strong and vibrant communities who feel comfortable addressing issues related to gender and race and sexuality and a wide variety of other topics that are often considered taboo, which is why you and I are here, having this discussion in public. 

I’m not denying the reality of privilege. I just don’t think death threats improve the quality of discourse, and I don’t think threatening or harassing or scaring anyone is ever okay.

Perhaps not, but sometimes yelling is the only way to get someone’s attention and sometimes it’s warranted when being we’re just angry and sick and tired of being marginalized and having people ignore it. 

On that note, the conversation with Laci did not start with death threats. It started with people asking her to address things that she had said that were problematic. It continued when she was condescending in her responses to marginalized people reacting with anger.

I agree with you. I don’t think death threats are warranted. I don’t think she deserved that or anything along those lines. However, I think the anger towards her is justified. I will always think anger is justified, especially when it comes to reacting to oppression. Right now I’m angry because she is receiving an outpouring of support when this kind of reaction is not anything new to people who aren’t as privileged as she is. And I’m angry because she was perpetuating that oppression and people are not treating her actions with the severity it deserves.